Some of the most important leadership decisions are never announced, they’re made quietly, months before anyone notices. In this episode, Bregje “Bee” Meuwissen, Group Chief People Officer at Cint joins Christine Sobhani, Senior Partner at Kingsley Gate to explore the invisible calculation many senior women make before they resign: weighing workplace politics, stalled progression, and the emotional cost of continuing to navigate systems that no longer serve them. It’s a conversation about the reasons organizations rarely hear, even during an exit interview.
Beyond that, Bee examines how AI is reshaping executive leadership by making information more accessible than ever, reducing the value of leaders who built authority through knowledge alone. The discussion concludes with a fresh perspective on mentorship arguing that the relationships that truly advance women’s careers are built on advocacy, opportunity, and accountability, not informal conversations over coffee.
Inside the conversation
01
The exit interview answers senior women never give, and why HR keeps writing down the wrong reason
02
“I only want to work with good humans.” The question senior women now ask before they even read the job spec
03
The day Bee swapped “I think”, for “ I believe,” and what it did to how she was heard in the room
04
The leadership advantage AI has quietly taken away, and the one it has handed back
05
The new Anthropic report finding that surprised Bee, and what it means for mid-career women right now
06
Why the most useful kind of mentorship is the kind that stops being a coffee
Meet our guest
Bregje “Bee” Meuwissen
Group CPO, People, Legal & Marketing, Cint
Bee runs three of the functions most companies keep in separate corners of the building. At Cint, a research-tech business spanning 18 countries and 800 people,
that scope is deliberate. The question driving her work is short and not at all easy: when intelligent systems start doing real work, what does the human organisation
need to become?
She has chased a version of that question through Juniper Networks, Travelport and IDEMIA, across EMEA, Asia, the US and the Middle East, through high-growth phases, post-acquisition integration, and the kind of restructuring no clean framework survives. She is Dutch by origin, based in Barcelona, and has built her career on a belief that a company can be technology-forward and deeply human at the same time, but only if you architect for both on purpose.
Meet our host
Christine Sobhani
Senior Partner, Kingsley Gate
Twenty-five years inside the rooms where the most consequential people decisions get made. Who runs the function. Who joins the board. Who gets the next chapter and who doesn’t.
Based in New York, Christine focuses on the c-suite and leadership mandates across technology, consumer markets, and private equity, and works closely with PE and VC firms on the leadership calls that shape portfolio performance. She sits on the Board of United Way New York City and mentors actively with the Iranian American Women Foundation.
Untamed is what happens when she puts down the structured interview questions and starts asking the real ones.
Meet Our Guests
David O’Brein
Vice President
David has more than 30 years of experience in managing and implementing complex projects in large engineering companies. Since 2012, she has been at Pátria Investimentos, one of the largest alternative investment managers in Latin America.
Currently, she is Managing Director and leads the technical and ESG areas of the infrastructure fund, not only in Brazil, but also in Latin America, where Pátria has a very relevant asset allocation mandate.
She has a degree in Civil Engineering from Poli-SP, with a postgraduate degree in Finance and HR from FGV, and a postgraduate degree in Project Management from George Washington University.
Bregje “Bee” Meuwissen
Group CPO, People, Legal & Marketing, Cint
David has more than 30 years of experience in managing and implementing complex projects in large engineering companies. Since 2012, she has been at Pátria Investimentos, one of the largest alternative investment managers in Latin America.
Currently, she is Managing Director and leads the technical and ESG areas of the infrastructure fund, not only in Brazil, but also in Latin America, where Pátria has a very relevant asset allocation mandate.
She has a degree in Civil Engineering from Poli-SP, with a postgraduate degree in Finance and HR from FGV, and a postgraduate degree in Project Management from George Washington University.
David O’Brein
Vice President
David has more than 30 years of experience in managing and implementing complex projects in large engineering companies. Since 2012, she has been at Pátria Investimentos, one of the largest alternative investment managers in Latin America.
Currently, she is Managing Director and leads the technical and ESG areas of the infrastructure fund, not only in Brazil, but also in Latin America, where Pátria has a very relevant asset allocation mandate.
She has a degree in Civil Engineering from Poli-SP, with a postgraduate degree in Finance and HR from FGV, and a postgraduate degree in Project Management from George Washington University.
David O’Brein
Vice President
David has more than 30 years of experience in managing and implementing complex projects in large engineering companies. Since 2012, she has been at Pátria Investimentos, one of the largest alternative investment managers in Latin America.
Currently, she is Managing Director and leads the technical and ESG areas of the infrastructure fund, not only in Brazil, but also in Latin America, where Pátria has a very relevant asset allocation mandate.
She has a degree in Civil Engineering from Poli-SP, with a postgraduate degree in Finance and HR from FGV, and a postgraduate degree in Project Management from George Washington University.
About Untamed
Most leadership stories get told once they’re polished. Untamed catches them earlier. Christine sits down with senior leaders to talk about the calls that didn’t fit the playbook, the moments that made them uncomfortable, and the decisions that quietly changed how they lead. The part that usually gets edited out.
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